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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Basil Gohar</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-2086</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

I can&#039;t really offer you legal advice regarding your situation.  I explained the above points based on what the representative from MPEG-LA told me via e-mail, but you&#039;re best off seeking advice from someone more familiar with licensing law than myself.

I will say that patent law gives the owner of a patent full rights regarding to whom they may or may not license their invention (I&#039;m being generous with the term invention here).  Therefore, that means that they can choose not to give a license to someone for whatever reason they like, or they can alter the terms of licensing at will.  It is a common practice of organizations that profit from patents to seek to get the patented technology utilized widely first, and then target users with fat wallets one-by-one, relying on that fact that it would be more costly for the user to litigate and/or replace the technology than it would be to settle and/or license the technology on the terms of the owner of the patent.

I do not claim this &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; be done by MPEG-LA.  But it would not be a surprise if they did, looking into the history of how patents have been used in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t really offer you legal advice regarding your situation.  I explained the above points based on what the representative from MPEG-LA told me via e-mail, but you&#8217;re best off seeking advice from someone more familiar with licensing law than myself.</p>
<p>I will say that patent law gives the owner of a patent full rights regarding to whom they may or may not license their invention (I&#8217;m being generous with the term invention here).  Therefore, that means that they can choose not to give a license to someone for whatever reason they like, or they can alter the terms of licensing at will.  It is a common practice of organizations that profit from patents to seek to get the patented technology utilized widely first, and then target users with fat wallets one-by-one, relying on that fact that it would be more costly for the user to litigate and/or replace the technology than it would be to settle and/or license the technology on the terms of the owner of the patent.</p>
<p>I do not claim this <em>will</em> be done by MPEG-LA.  But it would not be a surprise if they did, looking into the history of how patents have been used in the past.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading almost everything in this post (very nice post) I still am a little confused about a particular situation. Let&#039;s say I have made a short video of my dog with my camera. Saved the file to an .avi file and I want to upload it to my site. On my site I have a small HTML5 video player. In order for IPhone users to be able to play my video I have to convert it to a H.264 format. By doing so, am I breaking any laws? I&#039;m using a free converter: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Miro Video Converter&lt;/a&gt;. Do I have to pay participation fee for a small video of my dog? What if I had a company and I decide to sell my video (converted to H.264) to one/many clients?
I got so confused with this licence fees. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading almost everything in this post (very nice post) I still am a little confused about a particular situation. Let&#8217;s say I have made a short video of my dog with my camera. Saved the file to an .avi file and I want to upload it to my site. On my site I have a small HTML5 video player. In order for IPhone users to be able to play my video I have to convert it to a H.264 format. By doing so, am I breaking any laws? I&#8217;m using a free converter: <a href="http://www.mirovideoconverter.com/" rel="nofollow">Miro Video Converter</a>. Do I have to pay participation fee for a small video of my dog? What if I had a company and I decide to sell my video (converted to H.264) to one/many clients?<br />
I got so confused with this licence fees. Any help would be appreciated.<br />
Thank you</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Google Chrome dropping support for H.264, will support only open web codecs in the future &#124; Libre Video</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Chrome dropping support for H.264, will support only open web codecs in the future &#124; Libre Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Finally, for those that wish to make the technical argument that H.264 is a superior format over the other optiones (e.g., VP8 or Theora), while superficially true, of what advantage are the technical superiorities of a format if your usage of it is restricted, as it happens to be with H.264.  (I would like to refer those new to this issue to read our related post on what, exactly, you can &amp; cannot do with the H.264 format, according to MPEG-LA&#8217;s license terms: http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Finally, for those that wish to make the technical argument that H.264 is a superior format over the other optiones (e.g., VP8 or Theora), while superficially true, of what advantage are the technical superiorities of a format if your usage of it is restricted, as it happens to be with H.264.  (I would like to refer those new to this issue to read our related post on what, exactly, you can &amp; cannot do with the H.264 format, according to MPEG-LA&#8217;s license terms: <a href="http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/</a>). [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Rant Roulette &#8212; MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing &#8211; Libre Video</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Rant Roulette &#8212; MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing &#8211; Libre Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A recent post on librevideo.org was also written after Ben Schwartz&#8217;s post &#8220;No, you can&#8217;t do that with H.264&#8243; as mine was. From the article: In the interest of clarifying the ambiguous claims regarding the licensing terms of using the AVC/H.264 video technology, Libre Video has taken the time over the past few weeks to contact the MPEG-LA directly, the licensing authority responsible for administering the patent pool for the H.264 specification. We have asked them various questions related to what we feel are important issues surrounding the terms under which normal people are permitted to use hardware products that they have purchased and the resulting multimedia content created with them. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A recent post on librevideo.org was also written after Ben Schwartz&#8217;s post &#8220;No, you can&#8217;t do that with H.264&#8243; as mine was. From the article: In the interest of clarifying the ambiguous claims regarding the licensing terms of using the AVC/H.264 video technology, Libre Video has taken the time over the past few weeks to contact the MPEG-LA directly, the licensing authority responsible for administering the patent pool for the H.264 specification. We have asked them various questions related to what we feel are important issues surrounding the terms under which normal people are permitted to use hardware products that they have purchased and the resulting multimedia content created with them. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Basil Gohar</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Thanks for commenting and sharing your own experience with the MPEG-LA and its licensing terms with us.  I did not realize it at first that even the possible solution I had proposed, which was already cumbersome, was not, in fact, possible.  You are correct - it appears licensing for commercial purposes is not extended to an end-user of the H.264 technology except through an end product.  Commercial licensing is not extended to individual users, it only applies to the end product itself.  I have updated the associated points above to clarify this somewhat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting and sharing your own experience with the MPEG-LA and its licensing terms with us.  I did not realize it at first that even the possible solution I had proposed, which was already cumbersome, was not, in fact, possible.  You are correct &#8211; it appears licensing for commercial purposes is not extended to an end-user of the H.264 technology except through an end product.  Commercial licensing is not extended to individual users, it only applies to the end product itself.  I have updated the associated points above to clarify this somewhat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MPEG-LA answers some questions about AVC/H.264 licensing by Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/06/14/mpeg-la-answers-some-questions-about-avch-264-licensing/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For #2 and #3 in the list I tried to get a license about a year ago. They had 
sent me the paperwork to sign, which I did &amp; returned but they later refused. 
They said that the supplier was responsible for getting the license. Here is 
their email. I plan to keep it in case anything comes up.

Does this change anything in #2 or #3 since they won&#039;t license to end users??


Hello Jason,

Thank you for your message. Please allow me to clarify how our Licenses work, 
as I believe it will be helpful to your understanding.

As explained below, MPEG LA&#039;s Patent Portfolio Licenses provide coverage under 
patents that are essential for use of various technology standards, including 
MPEG-2, MPEG-4 Visual (Part 2) and AVC/H.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10). As a result, the 
party that offers the end product to the end user is responsible for being 
licensed and paying the royalty.

Therefore, in the normal course, the provider of the ffmpeg player or VLC 
player would be responsible for being licensed and paying the royalty. 
Unfortunately, the providers of these products have not taken a License or paid 
the applicable royalties.  As a result, the products are not licensed.

Although our Licenses do not directly provide coverage for an end user and 
anyone in the product chain may be held responsible for an unlicensed product, 
a royalty paid for an end product by the end product supplier would render the 
product licensed in the hands of the end user. Therefore, the end user would 
not normally pay a royalty to MPEG LA for using such a product, but where a 
royalty has not been paid, such product is unlicensed.

In this case, as you appear to be the end user, we suggest that you choose a 
player from a licensed supplier. In that regard, we maintain lists of Licensees 
in Good Standing to each of our Licenses in the corresponding sections of our 
website http://www.mpegla.com.

Finally, please note that since you will not benefit from coverage under the 
Licenses, we will not execute the signed Licenses that you have returned to us.

I hope the above information is helpful. If you have any further questions, 
please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Best regards,

Peter

Peter Hagen
Licensing Associate
MPEG LA, LLC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For #2 and #3 in the list I tried to get a license about a year ago. They had<br />
sent me the paperwork to sign, which I did &amp; returned but they later refused.<br />
They said that the supplier was responsible for getting the license. Here is<br />
their email. I plan to keep it in case anything comes up.</p>
<p>Does this change anything in #2 or #3 since they won&#8217;t license to end users??</p>
<p>Hello Jason,</p>
<p>Thank you for your message. Please allow me to clarify how our Licenses work,<br />
as I believe it will be helpful to your understanding.</p>
<p>As explained below, MPEG LA&#8217;s Patent Portfolio Licenses provide coverage under<br />
patents that are essential for use of various technology standards, including<br />
MPEG-2, MPEG-4 Visual (Part 2) and AVC/H.264 (MPEG-4 Part 10). As a result, the<br />
party that offers the end product to the end user is responsible for being<br />
licensed and paying the royalty.</p>
<p>Therefore, in the normal course, the provider of the ffmpeg player or VLC<br />
player would be responsible for being licensed and paying the royalty.<br />
Unfortunately, the providers of these products have not taken a License or paid<br />
the applicable royalties.  As a result, the products are not licensed.</p>
<p>Although our Licenses do not directly provide coverage for an end user and<br />
anyone in the product chain may be held responsible for an unlicensed product,<br />
a royalty paid for an end product by the end product supplier would render the<br />
product licensed in the hands of the end user. Therefore, the end user would<br />
not normally pay a royalty to MPEG LA for using such a product, but where a<br />
royalty has not been paid, such product is unlicensed.</p>
<p>In this case, as you appear to be the end user, we suggest that you choose a<br />
player from a licensed supplier. In that regard, we maintain lists of Licensees<br />
in Good Standing to each of our Licenses in the corresponding sections of our<br />
website <a href="http://www.mpegla.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mpegla.com</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, please note that since you will not benefit from coverage under the<br />
Licenses, we will not execute the signed Licenses that you have returned to us.</p>
<p>I hope the above information is helpful. If you have any further questions,<br />
please do not hesitate to contact me directly.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Peter</p>
<p>Peter Hagen<br />
Licensing Associate<br />
MPEG LA, LLC</p>
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		<title>Comment on The WebM Project by Basil Gohar</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/05/19/the-webm-project/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My concern was premature, as I see that they are now listed as one of the hardware vendors supporting WebM, thankfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My concern was premature, as I see that they are now listed as one of the hardware vendors supporting WebM, thankfully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The WebM Project by Srinivas Mandavilli</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/05/19/the-webm-project/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Srinivas Mandavilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 09:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been very happy with the quality/compute performance of Theora ... hope VP8 is better. Thanks Google!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been very happy with the quality/compute performance of Theora &#8230; hope VP8 is better. Thanks Google!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The WebM Project by Basil Gohar</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/05/19/the-webm-project/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 21:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, one of the things that concerns me is that I don&#039;t see AMD on the list of hardware vendors supporting WebM.  I hope that changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, one of the things that concerns me is that I don&#8217;t see AMD on the list of hardware vendors supporting WebM.  I hope that changes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The WebM Project by Basil Gohar</title>
		<link>http://www.librevideo.org/blog/2010/05/19/the-webm-project/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Gohar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for linking to that detailed article.

Hopefully we can look forward to more-and-more coverage of the codec and related technologies and, given that it&#039;s free software, we, as a community, can contribute towards its improvement for the benefit of everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for linking to that detailed article.</p>
<p>Hopefully we can look forward to more-and-more coverage of the codec and related technologies and, given that it&#8217;s free software, we, as a community, can contribute towards its improvement for the benefit of everyone.</p>
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